Posted: August 27th, 2005, 11:58 pm
why dont you swap it in.. if its a de it be worth it
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Hey Solo,jschrauwen wrote:Jordan, may I recommend a good read on the attached thread. There's some good info that you can gleen from this stuff. Although millaj01's pics are apparently no longer supported, I think you'll find that that has to be one of the best sourced ZE's I've ever seen. I think he was prudent in being specific in getting a ZE with the Millennia IM and TB and ensuring that he verified the heads, cams and pistons. Those that will remember it was an extremely clean looking engine. He lives near the Detroit area and had it shipped from a supplier from the east coast. I believe his costs were approx $850usd for the engine and approx $125usd for shipping. Very good price IMO. I can probably understand your desire to source within Canada, but I believe that the source for millaj01's engine was one of the better ones. Add an extra $100.usd plus $125 duty and taxes (these are a little on the high side to be safe), you're still looking at $1,200.usd which is still cheaper in the long run. Another alternate possibility would be to find out from the MX West boys (James or Taras) what would be good places to investigate for a quality ZE. Something like this, you don't want to cut corners on or rush into, but I would definitely stay away from those creatons that tried to pawn off that K8 as a ZE. Good luck.
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BECAUSE THEY WERE MEASURED! Mike Seli (who used to do cams for our cars) measured them. As a metter of fact there were as many as 3 DIFFERENT CAMS STAMPTED AS KL01 WITH DIFFERENT GRINDS!!!Slammed6 wrote:
Also Y would Mazda make 2 different cams with the same Stamping code?? I have read and read about that, but i still don't belive that the KL-01 cams are any stronger than the US KL-01.
Also if anyone is interested in a KL-ZE (straight or Curve neck) i can get them for a whole lot cheaper than most shops..PM if you wanna know more.
Like i said i have read about it. And it just doesn't make sense. if mazda stamped it KL-01 then they made those cams to a specific spec and thats it. Y didn't they just say F**k calling the KL-31's that, lets name them KL-01 and just regrind them. It doesn't work like that. So if you called mazda and said i want KL-01 cam, will they ask what kind of KL-01? NO, thats y they have part numbers, if they change the specs on it it gets a new part number.BECAUSE THEY WERE MEASURED! Mike Seli (who used to do cams for our cars) measured them. As a metter of fact there were as many as 3 DIFFERENT CAMS STAMPTED AS KL01 WITH DIFFERENT GRINDS!!!
Slammed6 wrote:Like i said i have read about it. And it just doesn't make sense. if mazda stamped it KL-01 then they made those cams to a specific spec and thats it. Y didn't they just say F**k calling the KL-31's that, lets name them KL-01 and just regrind them. It doesn't work like that. So if you called mazda and said i want KL-01 cam, will they ask what kind of KL-01? NO, thats y they have part numbers, if they change the specs on it it gets a new part number.BECAUSE THEY WERE MEASURED! Mike Seli (who used to do cams for our cars) measured them. As a metter of fact there were as many as 3 DIFFERENT CAMS STAMPTED AS KL01 WITH DIFFERENT GRINDS!!!
Just like some have seen rare occurances of the engine, depending on where your was made, i believe its just one of those things that was a screw up.
Nah i ain't going...I don't participate in those meets anymore.I guess we'll see what happens at the San diego dyno on the 10th...
u r going, right?
Actually ur wrong...both make 200 HP at 6500 RPM, just the Curve neck ZE with the KL01 cams makes the torque at a lower RPM.The Jspec KL01 cams, still produce 200hp except at LOWER RPM.
Dyno my friend....Dyno!and u know that the curved neck intake manifold flows better how? Have you done any flow tests? Maybe talked to the engineers that designed them?
U are just making speculations with no basis to back it up. I dont know for sure that the cams are different, but Mike Seli has measured them and has noted the difference. U on the otherhand have done neither....
but anyways...
This is along the same line as the KFZE cams are the most aggressive. Its been said a THOUSAND times the "J-Spec" KL-01 cams make the same power as the KL-31 cams, just at a lower rpm. Why do you think the manifolds are a different design?Also you forgot to mention...the ZE with the KL-01 cams has a different manifold. A manifold which produces more HP and flows better than the straight neck ZE. The ZE with KL-01's make the 200 HP by the manifold making more HP than a Straight neck. That shows that the KL-01 cams can't be as strong as the KL-31 cams, because the difference in cams is made up by the manifold.
It has been said that the RPM that both ZE make their peak HP is 6500 RPM. How are the cams making the HP at a lower RPM????Its been said a THOUSAND times the "J-Spec" KL-01 cams make the same power as the KL-31 cams, just at a lower rpm
Because the Manifold is making the Torque at a lower RPM, that is y the Straight neck ZE makes its peak TRQ at 5500 RPM and the Curve neck ZE is making it at 4500 RPM. Yet both make their peak HP at 6500 RPMWhy do you think the manifolds are a different design?
Thats what i saidIbelieve that Rob from CZT showed that the curved neck flows better
Lemme ask you one question: Whats the difference between a KL-ZE Straight neck and a KL-DE?? I can gaurentee you nobody will say the only difference is a Manifold and Cams...To compensate for the lower HP curve it would have to breath better. Take a second to think before you post such bullpoo. There is no way the IM is making the "KL-01" cams make 200 hp.
Take a second to think before you post such bullpoo
Because the Manifold is making the Torque at a lower RPM, that is y the Straight neck ZE makes its peak TRQ at 5500 RPM and the Curve neck ZE is making it at 4500 RPM. Yet both make their peak HP at 6500 RPMLemme ask you one question: Whats the difference between a KL-ZE Straight neck and a KL-DE??
Show me some dyno numbers. Where are you getting this info from?
Its not just cams and IM. How about better flowing heads, larger exhaust valve, better flowing IM, CAMS, and oh..the 10.1 pistons. Of course you have to think about the ecu also.
You also said you have researched...WHERE? Don't believe everything you read. Get me some concrete dyno numbers or something or someone with creditbility before posting. Everthing you say is PURE speculation.
I will show you some dyno numbers...because down here in Ventura, we have been dynoing and testing both the curve neck and straight neck ZE's. We have been dynoing both and designing a ECU to get the most power from them.Show me some dyno numbers. Where are you getting this info from?
Exactly what i was saying, the ZE doesn't get 200 HP from Cams and a manifold. It also has other things to get it to 200 HP, the cams are worth ~7WHP over KL-DE cams in a KL-DE Engine.Its not just cams and IM. How about better flowing heads, larger exhaust valve, better flowing IM, CAMS, and oh..the 10.1 pistons. Of course you have to think about the ecu also.
Oh yeah its pure speculation.. Like i said i am not some neewbie in the KL engine. I do my research online, and no i don't believe everything online, but if i read something that i believe to be true i will try this and come to my own conclusion after i make sure what i am doing is making more numbersYou also said you have researched...WHERE? Don't believe everything you read. Get me some concrete dyno numbers or something or someone with creditbility before posting. Everthing you say is PURE speculation.