Odd problem, no spark [fixed]

[WaaX]

I'm pretty convinced now on the HEI mod. I did some google searches and came up with a bunch of different threads of people doing it, found a couple wiring diagrams too so I'm confident that I'll be able to do it, it's an easy mod. I'll report back here once I do it, may take a little while considering I'll need to some how come up with the money for the coil/cap/hei.

[Savin]

Why did you Google search? its in the V6 FAQ like I said...twice

[WaaX]

Why did you Google search? its in the V6 FAQ like I said...twice

It is, but the thing is, it didn't have all the pictures I needed to understand how the setup worked. It didn't show the modified dizzy cap, which threw me off because I didn't know where the coil was suppose to get hooked up at. But now that I know it requires a modified dizzy cap, it all makes sense.

[Savin]

The links in the FAQ thread had pics of the modified cap

[WaaX]

Well today I finally got all the parts together and did everything. But funny thing is, I still have no spark.

I'm going to take the coil and HEI unit to autozone tomorrow and have them check to see if theyre good. They should be considering they are new.

I tried taking the wire that goes from the coil to the cap, and disconnected it from the cap, took a screw driver and put it into the wire and I still got no spark from that while trying to start the car.

I have everything wired properly, I triple checked everything.

=(

[kiwimx3]

Right time to go back to bare basic's 101

first off go and purchase a Chilton Mannual #46802

Chapter 2 covers the ignition system very well including tests and voltage and ohms
readings for the coils and power supply side. ( invest in a decent multimeter )

The dizzy incorporates a crank angle sensor which I might add is very reliable but
like anything can turn its toes up, and will not allow spark.

chapter four covers testing of the camshaft sensor.

Third, time to pull cell codes and see what codes are being produced

Best of british.

[ninjajim4]

i think you could save a lot of time here by just getting a new distributor. i had a no spark problem same as you, figured it was the ditsy. bought an HEI, wired it up, no go. exchanged my distributor and still didn't work. ended up being a broken ground wire on the knock sensor. the only way i found that out was by swapping my KL31 ecu out and putting in a k8 ecu, then found that the CEL light was only dimly lit.

so what i'm saying is, go with what is truly working first, ie a stock setup. otherwise you're shootin in the dark.

[WaaX]

Kiwi, will that chilton manual cover KLZE engines as well? Or is the ignition system all the same. I just want to make sure before I buy it.

I'm pretty broke, that's why it took me 3 weeks to get the parts in the first place.

The check engine light, to pull codes you open up the "diagnostic box" and ground what point? I tried ten(?)/grnd but my CEL wasnt doing anything (bad bulb?).

Also, I found two connectors that arent connected.

First one is near the trans:
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/2313/dscf0048ho6.jpg
(big image so im linking it rather than img'ing it)
It's a 3 prong connector, I cant find anywhere that it would go.

Second one is on the left side of the engine:
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/5932/dscf0049ap8.jpg

A shot of the engine, albeit blurry. I know my wiring is a mess, I haven't had the chance to clean it up, that and considering the engine wont start at the moment its not on my highest priorities.
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/6925/dscf0050ff8.jpg

I deeply and sincerely appreciate the time and effort each of you are contributing to helping me get my car started again.


On a side note, my friends got a probe, I'm going to try convincing him to come over one day to swap dizzys and see what happens.

[kiwimx3]

Evening Waxx,

First the mannual covers mx3, mx6, millenia, protege and ford prode, 93-97 so pretty much all bases are covered.
( its a good buy im very pleased with it)

What you have to realise with your car its a klze on a k8 loom (which works fine I might add )
I looked at your plug photo's sorry im not much help there.

Bit of a long shot, I wounder if your car was a automatic to start with? and has been converted to a
mannual ( different loom and the neutral start lockout )

if it cost's nothing pull your dizzy out and get autozone (sp) to check it if you do not have a multimeter.
if its fine, I would be checking for power supply to the dizzy , crankshaft sensor and cam shaft sensor

You will have to forgive me as I use a aftermarket loom and ECU and the engine bay of my car
is nothing like the mx3

[WaaX]

Evening Waxx,

First the mannual covers mx3, mx6, millenia, protege and ford prode, 93-97 so pretty much all bases are covered.
( its a good buy im very pleased with it)

What you have to realise with your car its a klze on a k8 loom (which works fine I might add )
I looked at your plug photo's sorry im not much help there.

Bit of a long shot, I wounder if your car was a automatic to start with? and has been converted to a
mannual ( different loom and the neutral start lockout )

if it cost's nothing pull your dizzy out and get autozone (sp) to check it if you do not have a multimeter.
if its fine, I would be checking for power supply to the dizzy , crankshaft sensor and cam shaft sensor

You will have to forgive me as I use a aftermarket loom and ECU and the engine bay of my car
is nothing like the mx3

Is there a safe way to check if I'm getting voltage to the dizzy without a multimeter and without frying anything (including myself)?

I don't believe the connectors have anything to do with my car not starting. They are just head scratchers.

Also, do you know how the wires from the dizzy are routed? Do they go from the 3/6 prong connectors straight back to the ecu? Or do they branch off to other components. I would just trace it back myself but I don't want to cut into the wiring loom and mess anything up.

Oh and the dealership sticker says it came with a manual.

Edit--
I got a multimeter, turns out my neighbor had one.
I'm not getting 12v at the coils + whlie trying to start it, infact im hardly even getting a reading at all.

My battery died, so I jumped it. As I was jumping it I tried testing the voltage at the coil, im getting about 2 volts while cranking.
/Edit--

[WaaX]

I've been attacking my wiring harness trying to trace back all of the lines. I can't find anything out of the ordinary.

I have most of my dashboard taken apart at the moment, and I had my key foward when I accidently hit the turn signal.. but my turn signal didn't activate, the signals only activate if I hit the emergency light button.

Something is draining my battery, if I have jumper cables on the car it will try to start just fine. If I take the cables off the car still turns over fine. But if I wait about 15-20 minutes and try starting it, the car acts like it has no juice at all, the stater just clicks.

I'm going to pull money out of a trust fund to get my car fixed, but what I'm wondering now is if I should bring it to an all around mechanic or take it to an electrical specialist considering it seems to be an electrical issue.

Thank you for your time.

[ninjajim4]

get your battery tested for free at autozone or where ever. if the battery is bad, it won't hold a charge, maybe it's something as simple as that.

what ECU are you using? ZE ECUs dont have a check engine light, and you have to use a LED in the diag box at FEN and B+ i believe

[WaaX]

My ecu has the words "chronos" written on it in white paint.

I got the car started today, ran 12v straight to my coils +, was trying to start, I had a spark. I then realised I had my dizzy rotor in the wrong position, put it right and it started right up.

I am so ecstatic right now, the car even runs a lot better now that I did the hei/external coil mods to it. Has absolutlely no puttering under acceleration now.

Thank you guys for your help =D
<3

[V8KOMX3]

hey waax I have a question for you as I am having the same problem. When you say your disty was in the wrong position did you just take it out and change the direction of the ears on the back? I tried that with mine and found mine to only go in one way....

[Savin]

hey waax I have a question for you as I am having the same problem. When you say your disty was in the wrong position did you just take it out and change the direction of the ears on the back? I tried that with mine and found mine to only go in one way....

I think he means the actual rotor itself, under the disty cap.