Who here has physcially attempted a KL-47 swap?
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Who here has physcially attempted a KL-47 swap?
KL-47: Twin Screw Millennia engine
I know this has been discussed before and people don't believe this swap is physically possible because the supercharger supposedly wont clear the hood. Has anyone physically attempted this?
Sure its not a KLZE, but KL47s were made for forced induction which means that they have a lot of potential.
It was once said that the square port KLZE intake manifold was not safe for the MX3 until someone figured out we could use a different brake booster from another Mazda car.
Looking at MrMazda92's thread: http://mx-3.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=81461
It seems like anything can be possible on our cars but due to the lack of support, some of us choose to go the easy route.
I know this has been discussed before and people don't believe this swap is physically possible because the supercharger supposedly wont clear the hood. Has anyone physically attempted this?
Sure its not a KLZE, but KL47s were made for forced induction which means that they have a lot of potential.
It was once said that the square port KLZE intake manifold was not safe for the MX3 until someone figured out we could use a different brake booster from another Mazda car.
Looking at MrMazda92's thread: http://mx-3.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=81461
It seems like anything can be possible on our cars but due to the lack of support, some of us choose to go the easy route.
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1993 MX3 GS
KLZE, Fidanza flywheel, KL31 CAMs, South Bend Stage I Clutch, Pacesetter STS, SS AutoChromes, Magnaflow muffler, 2.25' Exhaust, CAI, Blaster Coil HEI, KLDE Valvetrain, 5 Speed Swap
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Re: Who here has physcially attempted a KL-47 swap?
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Also I said the word KLZE so if your out there looking at this thread please dont start a "Real KLZE" discussion. There is enough of those. You know who you are lol.
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Re: Who here has physcially attempted a KL-47 swap?
I haven't been on here in a long time. I meant straight neck manifold. Why modify the throttle body when you can just change the brake booster?
Anyway, once I get situated, I am going to return to the MX3 game and look into a KL47.
Anyway, once I get situated, I am going to return to the MX3 game and look into a KL47.
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KLZE, Fidanza flywheel, KL31 CAMs, South Bend Stage I Clutch, Pacesetter STS, SS AutoChromes, Magnaflow muffler, 2.25' Exhaust, CAI, Blaster Coil HEI, KLDE Valvetrain, 5 Speed Swap
1993 MX3 GS
KLZE, Fidanza flywheel, KL31 CAMs, South Bend Stage I Clutch, Pacesetter STS, SS AutoChromes, Magnaflow muffler, 2.25' Exhaust, CAI, Blaster Coil HEI, KLDE Valvetrain, 5 Speed Swap
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Re: Who here has physcially attempted a KL-47 swap?
Juans_93_MX3 wrote:I haven't been on here in a long time. I meant straight neck manifold. Why modify the throttle body when you can just change the brake booster?
Anyway, once I get situated, I am going to return to the MX3 game and look into a KL47.
I hope you return to the MX3 game soon. Its a lonely world
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Re: Who here has physcially attempted a KL-47 swap?
there was someone who attempted a KJ swap. It stopped at the transmission. You'd be looking at creating a custom adapter plate and modified bellhousing... anyways, since there isn't any documented MX-3 with a KJ, your best inspiration would be from the KJ swapped Protege5. It went through a few owners before it was complete. Last I heard it wasn't reliable and an electrical nightmare.
It won't be easy, but if you have the time and resources it would be a fun project to follow along with.
There are plenty of KLs that have been supercharged and turbocharged in the mx-6 and probe world. if speed is your game, building a KL is both possible, rewarding and probably cheaper and easier. just depends on how big of a challenge you want!
It won't be easy, but if you have the time and resources it would be a fun project to follow along with.
There are plenty of KLs that have been supercharged and turbocharged in the mx-6 and probe world. if speed is your game, building a KL is both possible, rewarding and probably cheaper and easier. just depends on how big of a challenge you want!
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Re: Who here has physcially attempted a KL-47 swap?
The KJ-ZEM has been done in a Protege. Same guy with a KL Festiva I believe.
KL47 is the stamping for parts for the KL Millenia, usually in reference to the TB or IM or ECU.
The KJ is the code for the 2.3L K-series Miller-Cycle Supercharged engine.
KL47 is the stamping for parts for the KL Millenia, usually in reference to the TB or IM or ECU.
The KJ is the code for the 2.3L K-series Miller-Cycle Supercharged engine.
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Re: Who here has physcially attempted a KL-47 swap?
The only working solution I have EVER seen was a KJ (sorta) in an MX6.
How it was done:
1) Start with a stripped KLZE/KLDE block. (The block bolts up to our trannies no problem.)
2) Use a KLZE forged crankshaft with KJ (Millenia S) rods.
3) Assemble the KJ cylinder heads with KLZE (or Interprep forced induction) camshafts. (I was told, they are drop fit.)
4) Assemble the comically weird assortment of piping that becomes the intake manifold.
5) Use the KLDE/KLZE Throttle Position sensor, VAF and any other KL sensors that attach to the intake side.
(Yes the VAF sucks, but it was on this ride.)
6) Increase the size of the supercharger pulley to decrease the boost, and drill and tap a blow off valves to each bank after the intercoolers.
7) I believe that they used the Alternator/Air conditioner serpentine belt, but it might have been the waterpump/power steering pump belt.
Millenia Injectors, fuel rail and an aftermarket FPR.
9) I forgot to mention running the oil lines to the supercharger... actually pretty easy as I believe they can be run from the KJ heads.
Note... you're not getting a Miller cycle engine here... you're getting a supercharged ZE, with 2.5L of displacement, and his was controlled by a Megasquirt unit on top of a KL31 ECU.
Apparently he tried and tried to get the Millenia's computer to work without the automatic tranny, but that became a nightmare, so he just swapped in a ZE, and went with the KJ heads, supercharger and intake... everything else remains KL.
To anyone who might know him, I know he's got a cottage in the Kawartha Lakes area, I met him in Apsley Ontario over the August Long weekend a couple years ago. Dark dark green metalic MX6, with black shaded headlights.
Not sure that helps... but I bet it hauled @$$.
How it was done:
1) Start with a stripped KLZE/KLDE block. (The block bolts up to our trannies no problem.)
2) Use a KLZE forged crankshaft with KJ (Millenia S) rods.
3) Assemble the KJ cylinder heads with KLZE (or Interprep forced induction) camshafts. (I was told, they are drop fit.)
4) Assemble the comically weird assortment of piping that becomes the intake manifold.
5) Use the KLDE/KLZE Throttle Position sensor, VAF and any other KL sensors that attach to the intake side.
(Yes the VAF sucks, but it was on this ride.)
6) Increase the size of the supercharger pulley to decrease the boost, and drill and tap a blow off valves to each bank after the intercoolers.
7) I believe that they used the Alternator/Air conditioner serpentine belt, but it might have been the waterpump/power steering pump belt.
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9) I forgot to mention running the oil lines to the supercharger... actually pretty easy as I believe they can be run from the KJ heads.
Note... you're not getting a Miller cycle engine here... you're getting a supercharged ZE, with 2.5L of displacement, and his was controlled by a Megasquirt unit on top of a KL31 ECU.
Apparently he tried and tried to get the Millenia's computer to work without the automatic tranny, but that became a nightmare, so he just swapped in a ZE, and went with the KJ heads, supercharger and intake... everything else remains KL.
To anyone who might know him, I know he's got a cottage in the Kawartha Lakes area, I met him in Apsley Ontario over the August Long weekend a couple years ago. Dark dark green metalic MX6, with black shaded headlights.
Not sure that helps... but I bet it hauled @$$.
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Re: Who here has physcially attempted a KL-47 swap?
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That's brilliant.
That could actually work very well, as use can still use original mounts, axles, ect. (if it fits in the bay that is.)
What about timing, can you just use the KJ timing belt?
That's brilliant.
That could actually work very well, as use can still use original mounts, axles, ect. (if it fits in the bay that is.)
What about timing, can you just use the KJ timing belt?
Re: Who here has physcially attempted a KL-47 swap?
No idea about the camshaft timing belt... didn't ask, and I don't think it was exposed... also I don't think it's a question that I would ever have thought to ask. But I've seen both camshafts... and I don't recall there being any visual difference in the belt pulleys.
Re: Who here has physcially attempted a KL-47 swap?
kulluminati777 wrote: Also I said the word KLZE so if your out there looking at this thread please dont start a "Real KLZE" discussion. There is enough of those. You know who you are lol.
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Re: Who here has physcially attempted a KL-47 swap?
Just a random thought, but is there any way to adapt this to a k8. Sorry if it's a dumb question, I'm drawing a blank at the moment.
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Re: Who here has physcially attempted a KL-47 swap?
Millenia engines are real KLZE engines.RX8SE3P wrote:kulluminati777 wrote: Also I said the word KLZE so if your out there looking at this thread please dont start a "Real KLZE" discussion. There is enough of those. You know who you are lol.![]()
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SuperK wrote:Millenia engines are real KLZE engines.
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Re: Who here has physcially attempted a KL-47 swap?
So if im understanding this thread this is essential ly a k block engibe...so couldnt you simply bolt the topend of a 2.5 or 1.8 to this bottone end...and just run the milli ecu with tgat milli harness...bottom end is what has all the mounts...seems simple what am I missing...and I say this because the yard has a complete SC milli...
Re: Who here has physcially attempted a KL-47 swap?
I don't think you're understanding. You'll need to read it again... and again... and again.